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[h3]Making games is quick and easy. Unless you want to do it right.[/h3]



It's been over one and a half year since I decided to delay the launch and rework major parts of the game. In this post I will attempt to summarize the most most significant changes I have been working on and what lies ahead.

[h2][h3]What changed in Manor Lords?[/h3][/h2]

[h3]Residential plot system[/h3]



Before that change, whatever I did, I couldn't get the towns to look quite as real as I wanted. This was partially because of the lack of integration between the houses and their surroundings. After studying medieval settlement layouts as well as drone footage I decided to try and adapt the mechanic I was using for organic field placement and apply it to form residential zones.

If you ever heard about medieval "burgage plots" this is what inspired me.



Currently you place the residential plots by placing four points, and the edges try to conform to surrounding roads, creating more organic shapes. In the backyards, if you leave enough space, there is room for "backyard extensions" - vegetable gardens, goat sheds & chicken coops.



[h3]Late game towns & Artisan conversions[/h3]

I went through a lot of iterations of late game towns. I tried procedural generation but ended up using a more standard approach with randomized pre-made buildings.



However, another subject I tackled is that in a late game town, the high level production buildings like Bakeries and Tailors were located on the outskirts - cause they were placed last.

"Artisan conversions" mean that after you upgrade your residential plot to a certain level, you can convert it to a artisan workshop - brewery, blacksmith, tailor or a cobbler. This means that high level jobs remain in the very center of the town. It also "locks" the artisans from how you appoint normal peasants to work, as they become permanently attached to their profession.

Don't get accustomed to the architecture style though, more on that below...

[h3]Region sizes[/h3]

Manor Lords originally started as more or less a classic medieval RTS. In 2018 it had a grid, a fog of war, and the camera was similar to what you can see in Age of Empires series. But what I really wanted was to make the towns look and feel more real, I ditched the grid, the fog, and divided the map into regions. But since the camera was low, the regions were therefore quite small too - I hoped it will be interesting to work with the limited space.

In early 2020, the region sizes were more or less symbolic, reminiscent of games like Northgard

Time and time again during conversations with the community and later on with first closed testers giving feedback it became clear that people expect more realism. I kept making the regions larger, so in effect the amount of regions was getting smaller (we're down from 50 to around 11-12).

There is room to make bigger maps, but that I leave for a later update. Keep in mind however that due to gameplay functionality and technical limitations, it won't ever be 1:1 to real world, so those 4 square kilometers of landscape are meant to represent a bigger area.

Aerial view of one of the starting regions after reworks. WIP.

[h3]Freedom of the camera movement & zoom levels[/h3]

Another very challenging request from the early testers was to free up the camera. The technical problem comes from the fact that you could already zoom in pretty close - so now I had to try and make the game look good from close, medium and far, while all being optimized. It's like art directing 3 games at once.



But you can't treat it like 3 games or it's unoptimized, so it's all about being creative with the complexity of the terrain shader. In a game like this, the terrain covers the whole player's screen (the bigger the area covered by the object, the more expensive it is to render as it has to calculate all the nifty shader tricks per pixel). Additionally, the terrain textures shift throughout the seasons, and can be influenced by the player during play.

Furthermore typically you flip far trees to flat billboards. Freeing up the camera means you can view the trees straight down from high up. To solve this I had used a technique developed by Ryan Brucks (for Fortnite actually) called Octahedral Impostors, but with the dynamic seasons it was a large extra headache.

Those birds loved to glitch out.

Narrowing down the timeframe and region to unify the visual style


When I started the project I wasn't quite sure where I'll end up. I always said that it's "inspired by history" and you can see in the first announcement trailer that it's a big mix of styles and periods. I wanted something similar to Age of Empires, where as you unlock technologies, your soldiers and buildings change their look.

However, this ended up looking very messy to anyone who's even partially interested in history. Even in the 2021 gameplay trailer you can see both knights wearing plate armour and "viking" style mercenaries. It had to be resolved and it cost a lot of time and effort to rework this.

In the end after consulting with the community I decided that end of XIV century and Holy Roman Empire (roughly the Franconia region) will be a fairly good fit so I went with it. It's still "inspired by", but it is definitely less chaotic and anachronistic.

[h3]Complete architecture rework[/h3]



The first aspect of this was to replace the architectural mix of my Anglo-Saxon pit houses, Tudor and French timber framing and overall random influences. Luckily I met Jakob on the Discord, who specializes in medieval architecture of southern Germany and offered to help redesign all the buildings in the game in a accurate fashion.

Nowadays Jakob draws the desgins for me and I do the 3D models

[h3]Complete character rework[/h3]

Parallel to this I moved to characters. I've been very obsessed over optimization of the game and a lot of my character models were rough and very low poly. I definitely did not plan to model individual fingers as I thought nobody will ever see it in a strategy game. I kept thinking about this ever since Mack from the WorthABuy channel mentioned it in his reaction after I posted the announcement trailer.

For this I was lucky to meet Marcos, a AAA character artist who previously had the opportunity to work on characters for Kingdom Come: Deliverance, who was happy to bring the characters to another level.



Community on the history channel on our Manor Lords discord server guided us for historical accuracy, with one knowledgably member: Eol sacrificing his time to draw concept art on how the armour could still be good for gameplay progression but also historically accurate.




[h3]This includes faces and hairstyles...[/h3]

Marcos' work was mostly about clothing and armour. Before the changes I simply used 3D scanned heads bought online. They looked somewhat OK, but there was a limited amount of them and they often looked too young or had modern looking haircuts.

I scrapped what I had here and tried another workflow. I generated head photos with deep learning AI which allowed me to pick and choose faces that would be more fitting. Then I used Character Creator software to convert it into 3d models efficiently - the benefit here is that it has a unified texture topology, so I was able to randomly swap the textures and models to create multitude of unique variations. Then I added hair as a separate mesh and again followed the community guidance on what hairstyles were popular at the time. The effect of all this is less obvious repetition in how peasants look, and if I want I can easily generate more variations.



[h3]Recruitment system[/h3]

When I posted the announcement trailer in July 2020, Manor Lords was a far simpler game. There were no "late game towns" yet. I never expected the player to get to a high enough population for large battles so the only units that were in the game - all that you see in that 2020 trailer - were mercenaries. What would probably shock you today is how they were spawned too:



I had reasons for it, first one was the population limits, but also I wanted the player to have multiple ways to develop economically instead of just going for iron and making a ton of weapons. Wealth being the sole requirement for hiring units helped to achieve that. However I was later convinced to change it completely. Players really wanted to send their peasants to battle.

Therefore I added a Militia rally system and a personal Retinue system.



[h3]Retinue editor and it's rework[/h3]



The first version of the Retinue had two major problems. One is the lack of historical accuracy that I already mentioned, and another one was unification of equipment. Initially I've made the customization system so that you pick a weapon, eg a "sword" or a "war axe" and it would effectively create a unit of "swordsmen" or "axemen". Such unification wasn't really in medieval spirit.

After a few debates I decided to finally go for variety over unity and the game instantly became more authentic looking. This however limited some customization as there was no longer a 'swordsmen' unit with a single helmet type. More variety & randomness, less customization, but more authenticity.

However I left room for future specializations weapon types divided into categories (types still in the works, for now they are planned to be mixed, long polearms, short polearms, pavise infantry, cavalry). Furthermore I implemented [WIP] a system where armour can be upgraded individually per member, giving even more individuality to the soldiers. It's still a WIP though.



[h3]Combat changes[/h3]

If you've seen the battle trailer, you know all the features I've been working on. However it might not be clear to some that none of these features existed in the time when I published the first announcement. If you missed it...

[previewyoutube][/previewyoutube]

And if you're curious, here's how combat looked before (note: the map is a test map, it won't be present in the early access launch).

The addition of occasional finishers and synchronised mocapped animations really helped, but I made sure to keep it minimalistic and not over the top as I know that many Total War fans dislike that units "wait their turn" as their animations have to be synced.



[h3]Further animation reworks[/h3]

After Marcos worked on the new character models, we had to adjust the animation skeletons - a foundation that you use to animate the characters.

I used my friends mocap system for capturing motion and sadly, because it is more of a budget solution, it created some less-than-perfect bone placements that had to be manually corrected. Unfortunately that meant that a lot of animations broke, cause the length of the arms changed. This had to all be manually fixed.

In the end every animation in the game got recorded again, and most of them had to be further manually altered. It took forever, and I still would love to revisit some of them, but I fear I won't have enough time. Perhaps with the new funds I can find some help - more on that later.

Endless mocap cleanup and tweaks are not my favourite thing to do.

[h3]Gameplay. Micromanagement. Farming.[/h3]

In March 2021 I started gathering a small tester group on the Discord. I started from my close friends, other game developers who were interested in helping out, and Discord moderators who did a lot of work for me managing the community there. Overall it was around 20 people.

Another major feedback of theirs was that the farming system was too repetitive and micro heavy. Basically what I had is a three element system, the Ox Farm for ploughing, a Field for sowing and harvesting, and a Barn for transporting and storing the wheat. This meant that if a player has 10 farms, every in game year he has to micromanage peasants to plough the fields, then sow them, then harvest, and every field was handled separately. That was a lot of clicking.

Here I had to try several systems but what we ended up with is a central "Farm" building. You employ the workers there and they do their thing automatically. You can however set each field's priority and crop type. If they all have the same priority, the peasants will split proportionally. It required a whole AI subsystem of Farms dividing the workforce "intelligently" and due to extra individual AI autonomy it wasn't as easy as it should be.



The testers weren't fond of the Ox mechanics too. There was some frustration due to the limitations of how the ox farm worked. After discussion on the Discord I introduced hand ploughing and plan to reintroduce Ox Ploughs differently soon.

[h3]Livestock system[/h3]

Which brings me to the livestock. In previous builds it was simply bound to the building, you constructed a Sheep Farm and the Sheep just periodically spawned there. I didn't expect people to want realism here, but they did.

I had to invent a way to buy and sell livestock so I introduced travelling livestock traders and livestock markets.



However, livestock traders caused some traffic jams as they squeezed their way through the narrow town streets with their herds. Also, the livestock market was an empty, ugly looking place 99% of the time. So I scrapped the whole system and created a livestock trader building instead - a trader who handles import and export of animals.

I also added an age to sheep, so you can buy lambs if you wish to invest long term. More livestock management functionality still needs to be done.

[h3]New trade system[/h3]

Which brings me to the trade system. Originally I had two trade buildings:
a) A merchant, sometimes called a trading post. The workers imported goods from other regions to your region.
b) A market stall. Merchant visit market stalls to buy stuff, so if you want to export something, you have to build a stall and hope that a merchant will visit you.

This added some trade competitiveness as whoever attracted more merchants had more money. You couldn't just click a 'sell' button to generate money.



The problem was that it made trade between regions very cumbersome. So instead I introduced a trade overview where you can set your export/import limits and the workers handle the rest. The market attractiveness still matters, because using your own peasants for export takes more time and effort than attracting foreign ones.



[h3]Water & Soil[/h3]

One of the things that annoyed me that due to handmade map, when players landed on the same spot, their towns tended to look the same. To combat this I introduced an underground water vein layer. The well has to be placed on top and since the well marks the town center, the towns are always a bit different too.



Lately I've done the same for crop fertility. Here you can see various overlays showing how fertile the land is for different types of crops (emmer wheat, flax, barley and rye - not sure if rye will stay though as it's basically a clone of the wheat resource).

Rotating the crop type improves the fertility and yields, but it has to be semi-automated in the future cause the testers tend to ignore this mechanic.



[h3]The market square evolution[/h3]

The announcement trailer version had individual market stalls. Each stall sold one type of good. This was fine for a couple of stalls, but in longer sessions players tended to create these awful snake market roads that required a ton of micromanagement.

Because you placed stalls individually by the nearest trade route, it resulted in these long market stall trains

What I tried to do instead is utilize the field system again, and create a centralized market zone. It looked cooler and solved the boring micromanagement, but had two problems:
-You had to setup a large empty plaza in the beginning of the game where you only need one or two stalls.
-The market was placed in the outskirts where there is a lot of space.



I really wanted it to be in the town center instead, as it was often in reality. So I ended up combining the well and the market into a one town square building that provided water and slots for stalls.

A "circle" market version with a central well.

What I disliked about it is that every market square looked the same. It was also a bit awkward to place plots around it as I noticed testers struggling to fit them perfectly. So I did yet another take and split it into individual modules.



The core module is a well and stalls are additional modules. You still have a central UI for making decisions, but more control over the look of your town square. Oh and coloured cloth unfolds when you employ sellers!

[h3]Wealth propagation[/h3]

Another thing players did that I did not like is they upgraded every single building in town to the max. In real towns you get nicer town center and less developed outskirts, but why should player do that if he or she has the means to upgrade everything eventually?

Even in 2021 the lack of variety and hierarchy really made larger towns flat and boring

My take on it was a wealth propagation system. When a good is sold on the market, the wealth "propagates" outwards to nearby homes. And you can only upgrade the buildings that have enough wealth stored. However I've been receiving feedback that this system is unclear and confusing ("why can't I upgrade this? I have enough silver"). It did however produce far more organic towns. Maybe another twist on this mechanic is needed that is more clear but achieves the same result?

[h3]Wood situation[/h3]

The ability to zoom in is a frequent curse in places where you wouldn't normally expect it. Wood in strategy games tends to be just that. It's a symbol meant to represent everything from huge construction timber to arrow shaft sticks. It becomes weird if you can zoom and peep on what's happening with it.

In previous ver., I had "wood" and "timber". Wood was a generic resource, used for fuel in the winter and to create timber, which was used for construction.



What annoyed me about it is that it was represented differently depending on where it landed. After chopping the tree it was these small logs that people could actually physically transport. After becoming timber I represented it visually as planks. But of course when the construction animation is happening you see it as huge timber beams. It's not a *big* problem but, I always wondered if I can fix it. The appearance of wood flip flopped constantly between different visuals depending on what it was used for, and that caused it often to magically get longer or shorter.

You do not want too many similar resources cause they clutter the UI and make the game harder to learn. It also requires extra safeguards to prevent a situation where there is no 'firewood' and peasants freeze just because they have a lot of the wrong 'wood' resource. Again not all huge problems, but extra headaches.



What I ended up with for now is "Timber" and "Firewood". Timber is the large logs and must be transported by Oxen. Firewood is the chopped wood and can be transported by people. I thought that 3 wood resources clutter the UI too much so for now these are the two left in the game. I have a hunch people will like planks back however.



[h3]Sound design rework[/h3]

Ambience proved to be more difficult than expected. The map is large and the seasons are changing in the game, the ambience has to adapt and evolve. The player can fly around like a madman, zoom in, zoom out in a split second. If two ambient nodes with the same sound synced by a very rare chance, it produces weird phase cancellation issues, aka sounds terrible and weird.

What I tried is to separate the ambiences into individual bird calls and noises that could be combined to create an ambient flow. However for some reason individual birds never quite sound like a forest. I dabbled with ambisonics 360 audio but the availability of sounds was limited, the equipment too expensive and the Unreal implementation didn't sound as amazing as I expected (maybe it was the samples?).

So I ended up with a 5 point node system that probes what's around the player and adjusts accordingly. It never uses the same sample to avoid any phasing. Together with the incidental individual sounds and noises it's seamless enough and reacts to the player, aka if you rotate the camera, the ambience rotates, which is far superior to what I had before.

[h3]Dirt & paths[/h3]

To boost the organic look of towns I added an eroding paths system. The paths were created wherever peasants walked. However during a long gameplay it did not quite looked as cool as I expected - for example people took many trips to the forest to chop trees and it created these weird patterns.

Turns out if you simply erode the grass wherever peasants walk, after a long time you get weird geometric results like this.

Due to the size of the map the resolution of the path texture had to be high and was never enough. I ended up scrapping this system and instead take more care to place more small paths between buildings in a more controlled fashion.

[h3]Rebellions and fires[/h3]

At the time of the announcement trailer, when Loyalty of the Region dropped to -100, you lost control over it. When you lost all Regions, you lost the game. It wasn't enough fun to lose, and therefore I couldn't amp up the challenge without it being frustrating.

I managed to add a rebellion mechanic where a part of your population would split and form a band of brigands. Those brigands would loot your town, burn some buildings and eventually, after they collect enough loot, leave. This also paved the way for a raiding mechanic in future updates.



Subsequently I added the ability for peasants to run to the nearest well, grab buckets of water and to fight the fires.

[h3]Soundtrack rework[/h3]

For the OST I partnered with a company called Pressure Cooker Studios. They're working with high profile companies like Epic Games or Netflix and were eager to be a part of Manor Lords. We worked on a limited budget and it took a few iterations to find a perfect balance between 'cinematic' and 'authentic'.



We've been going through each track and revising it. While the music in the trailers I am very happy with, in the gameplay I think we had problems with too lighthearted of a mood and in places a lack of authenticity to the sound. We brought new talented musicians who helped us boost the "medievalness" of the OST while keeping some cinematic flavour and not making it sound like your typical medieval fair.

[previewyoutube][music comparisons][/previewyoutube]

[h3]Coat of arms and banner creator[/h3]

In the old system all you had to chose was a color and a symbol. It was "good enough", but a lot of players were interested in something more, so I created a more advanced coat of arms creator.



The unit banners in the game will display your coat, but part of the banner should remain individual per every unit. The unit symbol is their personal insignia helping to identify them in a battle, so I'm cooperating with a few artists to bring a variety of designs.

Evolution of one of the patron saints, St. George.

The symbols don't show up on units anymore however. I know, some of you will dislike it, but after the reworks I was all about individuality of soldiers and I think it is the best, most realistic choice to make them non-uniform.

[h3]AI rework[/h3]

Every single change I made meant that the AI become obsolete. Residential plots? It can't build houses anymore. New market system? It can't trade. New recruitment system? It can't fight. So for the most part I stopped working on the AI altogether all until I know that the core reworks are more or less done. Lately I've been able to teach the AI to use the systems again but I still need a couple of months to make it fully competitive.

[h3]Fixes, fixes, fixes...[/h3]

Keep in mind that for every major feature, there are 10 minor fixes or quality of life improvements. You don't see it in the trailers cause it's not flashy, but that's what makes the game good in the end.



So much more stuff!

I wanted to talk about victory conditions, tech progression, storage, diplo, dynamic sfx cues, AI autonomy - but turns out I hit the maximum word limit. Maybe it's for the best - next time!

[h3]New partners in the industry[/h3]

A while ago I promised another video update that I didn't make in the end. That's because in the midst of character, animation and architecture rework, the game looked like a mess. However there were some big announcements that I missed to share.

1. Manor Lords has received an Epic Megagrant!

It was a no strings attached financial boost from Epic Games. The only requirement is that I am to continue working on the game and utilize Unreal Engine. This was really great news. For the first 2-3 years of the development I still worked at my filmmaking company, I had a lot of flexibility but Patreon and the Megagrant really given me the opportunity to pause my day job and focus on the game + still have some funds for outsourcing artists like Marcos.

2. Manor Lords on GOG

Since we're on Steam, I don't want to advertise it too much but the game is now also available on that one friendly Polish game store. GOG also supported the development of the game, for which I am very thankful.

3. Cooperating with Nvidia

First we cooperated on getting DLSS implemented in Manor Lords. Nvidia was kind enough to provide a newer GPU for me since I was still on my trusty 1070. I also received confirmation that Manor Lords will be available on Geforce Now which is great news for anyone with an older PC but a reliable internet connection.

4. I partnered with Hooded Horse publishing!

I was very lucky to meet a lot of great people from the industry who offered help after I announced the game. I planned to stay independent, but in the end due to certain chain of events I decided to partner with Hooded Horse. It's a publisher dedicated solely to strategy games (you may know them from Old World or Falling Frontier) with relatively short history, but growing rapidly and most importantly sharing the same values as me. I also have retained full freedom. They'll help with translations, marketing and given me more development budget to play with. "Finally!" some of you will surely say.

Now for the big announcement...


[h3]Closed alpha applications open![/h3]

I'm looking for players who would like to help with the development, test the game, give feedback and participate in discussions.

If you have a lot of free time and are passionate about the project, it would be great to have you in the closed alpha group.

However, if you just want to simply play the game earlier/for free - please wait instead, as you'll only be frustrated because of the unfinished state. Same if you don't want to participate in internal discussions or votes. Ability to record footage is also a plus.

If you'd like to join the Closed Alpha:
1. Join the Manor Lords Discord server https://discord.gg/RRD55RZdB7
2. Find a bot called AlphaBot.
3. Send a private message to the bot with the command !alpha
4. The bot will ask you a couple of questions.
5. Wait for an e-mail confirmation. I plan to pick new testers irregularly so don't worry if you don't receive a message immediately - as always patience is appreciated.

If you're applying and you're a Patreon supporter please make sure to connect your Discord account in the Patreon settings. If you joined Patreon before but aren't there now, or if you're a long time supporter who just followed the game, first of all thank you, secondly please mention it.

Note: If you can't send the message, please check this setting:

When game?


I really appreciate all your patience and I hope you now better understand why it takes longer than expected. I didn't have to rework all this stuff, but I wanted to and I took a risk. I think all the major reworks are behind me, but first I wanted to hear feedback from more testers before I make the early access public, and there are still some buildings left to redo and the AI to improve.

For now I hope you'll excuse me for leaving the release date as: To be announced.

That's it for today, thanks for following and all the help!

Answering not-so-obvious questions from the community



Hey everyone!


For those who do not follow the game on other social media - apologies for the long silence. The development is going strong. A more thorough video update is in the works, but I keep delaying it cause the game changes so fast! And I keep saying, let me just finish this other thing, so that the video is not outdated by the time it comes out. And so like, 8 months have passed from the last video. That's crazy.

Really appreciate all the patience and support.

One of the users on Manor Lords Discord asked the community to prepare this short FAQ, some of the questions were really interesting to answer, possibly a point of debate, so I decided it would be a good idea to also post it here on Steam.

By the way, you can see the term 'testers' used from time to time. This is a group of around 20 long time supporters and friends, however, there will be an opportunity to join the closed testing later this year. A special bot ("Alpha-bot") will handle all the applications through the Discord server.

[h2]Population related questions[/h2]

Do peasants have their own “profile” with traits, job and info?
Currently peasants have a name, a home and a workplace. If they are not assigned to a workplace they help with random jobs. There are no traits, since the scale of the game is larger than a typical colony simulation, you lose track of individual peasants and micromanaging them would quickly become tedious. At the town level you can convert townhouses to artisan workshops. This converts peasants to artisans and removes them from the peasant worker pool permanently. Potentially this leaves space for future artisan family specialization/traits in the future.

How do peasants spawn?
They just spawn, Stronghold style. If they come from the edge of the map, the game would be very unbalanced, as Lords in the center would have to wait much longer for peasants to cross the whole map to reach them. If peasants were born and grew up, you'd have to wait far too long for a child to grow into a productive peasant based on the games time mechanics.

Will peasants die of old age?
Currently no. There are several reasons for this which I'll try to summarize. If it's a proper mechanic, it's hard to control and manage. You can't directly influence it as a player. There are no gameplay elements involved, such as enacting social policies to promote reproduction to try to manage an ageing population. The years go on slowly, meaning you'd have to play for hours and hours before actually seeing someone age. Currently, peasants growing old and dying would be weird and confusing as the player avatar doesn't age. If your peasants age while the player doesn’t, I can see this creating dissonance. I can already hear the inevitable cries of people asking for family tree mechanics. This is not only overly ambitious but takes away from the core of the game. Instead of building, managing and interacting with the world you’ve created, you’ll be forced to sit in the UI and compare modifiers of future wives. So, as you see, ageing creates lot of problems, lots of work and little to no reward.

Is there a population cap?
Not really, but there will be. Currently the unit hardware cap is about 16384, but at this point, your CPU will probably explode. We'll figure out what reasonable limits to set with future testing.

How many people can live in a house?
For now, peasant houses can sustain 1 family (male + female, to be expanded), and townhouses 2 families. There are some changes being done as to how it's counted, and how it works. Previously, I just counted the male peasants as workforce since only they could be drafted to the military. For now, I’ve switched the description to 'family', and I'll try to make it so that the women and children help with the job assigned to that family.

Can you execute people?
Not at the moment.

Are rebellions going to be a thing?
Yes, a basic rebellion system is already implemented. After Loyalty in a Region drops to -100, a number of villagers turn to bandits, loot and burn houses. After a while, they will run off to the edge of the map with the loot they stole.

[h2]War related questions[/h2]
Will there be generic mercenaries? e.g., plain halberdiers/crossbowmen/macemen etc.?
This is currently undecided. The cool thing about using mercenary ideas from Discord/Reddit was that you need to adapt your playstyle to what's available in the recruitment pool, and that each company has its own quirks.

Can you pillage and burn buildings?
Currently, when fighting the enemy, you can only occupy their territory. Although, as rebellions & looting are already implemented, it'll probably be added sooner or later.

Preview of the WIP Fire System on Manor Lords Twitter

Will there be guns and cannons?
I wanted to add them from the beginning, but not everyone is a fan. For me the handgonne is a cool underrepresented medieval weapon. However, as there are portion of fans who want a game with no gunpowder weapons, it tempts me to leave them out for now.

Does terrain affect combat?
Yes, soldiers run slower uphill and faster downhill with the charge strength impacted by this. When fighting in lines it also gets added as a bonus. Forests are not factored in yet, but they will be eventually.

Is there fog of war (FOW) in the game?
For the time being there is no fog of war. It was in one iteration of the game, and it caused a lot of chaotic 1v1 skirmishing, and sudden surprise cramped fights in the villages (Check PVP Ancestors: Legacy for a good reference). There were no battles and very little tactics involved. I wanted to provoke more “official” battles in the style of the ones you see in the trailers e.g., Total War style, and removing fog of war helped.

After hiding the landscape in fog, it didn't look as good as it did in the trailers. You had this beautiful realistic landscape which was all darkened making it look a little off. The sky, which typically in most RTS you don't even see, didn't darken though. People don’t often think about these additional problems caused by FOW.

Having no FOW would also give more strategic significance to the forests, since they would be a great opportunity to set up ambushes.

In summary, no FOW. Seeing the enemy army marching ahead worked better and looked better during my tests.

Are scouts going to be a thing?
This is a good question, and it's very much connected. FOW means exploration mechanics like micromanaging, discovering, exploring. No FOW = no scouting, less micro, more focus on the building and long-term planning. I went with no FOW for now, so no scouts.

How will soldiers gain experience? Do they get better with experience?
There is no experience (exp) mechanics yet, it’s still being decided. For now, they just have a “melee training” and “archery training” status when they finish their training. The problem with exp is the slightly more realistic depiction of militias in the game. After your people finish fighting, they go back home, disband and go back to their jobs and families. Forming the same unit again with the same people of a particular exp level is a bit tricky to solve in the UI, more when you want to increase or decrease the unit troop size. It gets complicated quickly and it usually means a worry for me later.

[h2]Game mechanics questions[/h2]

Will there be a law system like In Frostpunk, with advantages and disadvantages?
At the moment there is a Loyalty stat, that acts like a happiness meter which is calculated per region. Besides food and firewood, peasants demand particular goods to maintain loyalty such as candles, shoes and clothes. There is a law/policy mechanic, but it is very work in progress and requires a rework to make it better. An example of a policy was “Hardship”, which decreased food consumption while also decreasing loyalty in the region. Another was “Hunting grounds” which increased wild animal reproduction rate at the cost of damaging crops.

Will it be possible to build multiple manors and under which conditions? How many units of retainers can we have and are they tied to each individual manor? How many units per manor?
Manors are currently limited to 1 per region. The number of retinues you get varies from version to version, and it will be reworked yet again, because of a new Manor progression. Generally, it's still up to debate, but the current plan is to use Manor extensions as garrisons for the retinue. You'll probably get 30 with a base level tower and 60 with an upgraded one. Not final.

Is there a disease system in the game? Will there be one?
There was a disease system that was unsatisfactory, so it is being redone. Previously, a peasant could become sick during the winter if he didn't have any firewood, or after consuming uncooked food also generally from a lack of firewood. The food cooking was very unclear for the testers, so I removed it. The way to cure an illness was to gather herbs with an herbalist building. Unfortunately, building a couple of herbalists early on basically solved the disease problem for the whole playthrough removing any future disease challenges. Hence the system is undergoing changes, with herbs being more limited, and peasants being able to heal on their own, just slower. A stronger immunity because of a balanced diet is planned for the future, as a reward for having food variety in the Region. Plague events would be nice to have too, but I haven't had time to implement them yet.

Do you have to upgrade buildings manually through a pop up?
Yes, in the current version you have to press the upgrade button. The players get points for upgrading buildings. Without having to click an upgrade button, players don't always understand how they got the additional points in the first place. However, to counter spamming upgrades, there is a wealth distribution system. It ensures organic growth of the town with the wealth propagating from the market, outwards. To upgrade, wealth must accumulate in a particular building. This ensures that players don't upgrade the whole town to the max level and allows towns to look more natural, with a gradual evolution outwards the center of town. Also, it's currently a bit confusing, even if the region has 10 silver and you need 5 to upgrade, you can't upgrade if the silver is accumulated elsewhere. I'm not 100% sure yet if it's going to remain that way.

What is the role of the King? Will he appear in game? And possibly fight you? Can you overthrow him?
It's being debated, including the possibility to fight a final battle against the King to take over the crown. But since the map is smaller than a Kingdom, the King would come to you. Right now, he is not a character yet and just grants points for which you can claim territories. It has been requested though for future consideration.

Do resources ever rot?
Yes, sadly it's based on probability rather than a timer. The reason is that if you say get 10k grain, I don't want to store each individual grain separately in the memory and cycle through them each day to change their date, it will use a ton of CPU and RAM. Instead, the chance to rot is based on the amount stored and where it's stored. For now, it just means you must move food to a granary and keep meat in a larder.

Will there be landfills and their potential disposal (like in Stronghold 2 and Going Medieval)?
Not planned at the moment.

Do seasons affect gameplay?
Yes. It works probably as you’d expect. Harvests happen in the late summer, ploughing either in November or as soon as the ground unfreezes. Firewood is needed in the winter, and peasants walk slower in the snow.

Do armour and weapons get teleported like food or do militiamen have to grab it from somewhere?
They grab weapons and armour from wherever it's stored. There is an armoury building planned which will be implemented as a part of the new Manor system.

Do other lords start out the same level as you?
Yes.

How complex is the field and work management?
The management got easier after initial testing. Earlier you'd have to assign individual peasants to individual fields, both to plough, sow and harvest. This compounded quickly and with a couple of regions became a nightmare to manage. Now you just assign them to a central farm building where the workers then just split off and attend to everything automatically. For fields, each has a crop type, priority and fertility where you can also rotate crop types for extra benefits.

Will it be possible to influence other lords economically?
The work in progress system forced travelling merchants to go to places that sell more goods with cheapest prices. The price is dependent on availability of goods, so if you made 1k of something it would sell cheaper, eventually making your Market Attractiveness stat higher. It was possible to make the merchants only go to your town to trade, starving the enemy for money. Sadly, the AI has not been worked on since mid 2020 and this needs to all be revisited after the economy is finally locked in. I've previously spent too much time working on the AI system only to change the rules and make it useless again. I need that economy locked first!

Will there be any restrictions on the construction of the city/village?
None that I can think of, except for maybe some hardcore slopes for non-castle buildings and the 1 manor per region limit.

Will there be any mechanics for creating your own state on the world map?
No, this is not currently planned.

Will it be possible to build your own castle and other defensive structures?
Yes, but most probably only after the early access launches.

[h2]Miscellaneous questions[/h2]

How many animal species will be in the game?
It's undecided. For now, we have sheep, chickens, goats and oxen. More will probably come, but I want them to be different and not just clones of the same mechanic with a different name. I add the animals very carefully.

How many regions are there on the map?
The region sizes were increased multiple times during the development. Because of this most regions were merged/removed and we're now down to 11. However, these 11 are not the whole map because the map is unfinished. We'll probably have around 18 or 20 for the early access. This was a decision we made during the testing. We decided on less regions, but bigger. It might change yet.

Why not just many regions, super big? Because your PC will die, that's why. I already have around 70 000 trees on the map and even with spatialization, think about how many calculations it is for 100 lumberjacks calculating to find the nearest tree to chop. The calculations grow exponentially, and I must fight to protect optimization. It might be possible in the future to make larger maps, but I won't push it now, since there are many more important things to do.

Will the lord have a family crest? Is it customizable?



Each lord has a crest/logo/coat that consists of a symbol/pattern and two colors (displayed above is an example with the green-black players and two random patterns). These are kept in a rather minimalistic style of the UI so that they can work well displayed on the shields, banners, UI and so on. We discussed it a couple of times, but it seems like we couldn't decide on what the community really wants, so I assume for now it's fine.

Which place in Europe is the game set in?
At the beginning it was just generic imaginary country in northwestern Europe. Lately, together with my trusty advisor Jakob, we started to unify the architecture style to fit late XIV century Franconia, and we're pushing the characters into that direction too. So, by chance it seems we ended up with Southern Germany, at least for the early access release. But I still want to keep the region names imaginary, so that it doesn't provoke historic inaccuracies of who was ruling what, and what creek was where. I'll soon adjust the region names and character names to fit the new setting.

What is the time period of Manor Lords?
The end of XIV century. I changed it during the development as some of you know. The version from the announcement trailer was inspired by XI-XV centuries and included a crude version of tech progression. However, this led to Vikings or Norman style soldiers with kite shields battling plated knights. After being involved in historical discussions more and more, it started to seem really awkward to me, especially with the realistic art direction I'm taking. Narrowing down the timeframe increased the realism, accuracy and lessened the scope of the project.

Can you peek inside buildings?
No, it would increase the amount of work, and resources consumed to be worth doing. I tried interior combat in towers in the prototype but scrapped it because it was quite janky. Very tight, no control, no room to maneuver, no tactics, and just begging the pathfinding to bug out. It was smarter to cut it out.

Will there be stone roads?
Maybe, but dirt roads seem to be more accurate for the period.

Will there be other cultures and historical periods in the game?
Possibly in future DLC's, but it's too early to know.

Will there be a custom map editor and SDK available?
It's quite possible that there will be a package for modding/map creation, which can be used via Unreal Engine 4.

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Slavic Magic

Manor Lords - Battle Features

Hey everyone!

I've prepared a new video to showcase all the battle features I've been implementing lately. There have been a complete animation rework and a lot of tiny improvements to the combat portion of the game.

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Hope you like it !

Now I'm back to AI and townbuilding - closer to early access launch every day.
Will keep you updated!

Thanks for following and supporting the game. This is the best community I've ever seen.

Thank you!

Slavic Magic

New Manor Lords Gameplay Overview video

A new video will be up on Youtube today. Be sure to tune in if you're interested!

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The video shows some of the core mechanics of the game: Regional development, the trade system and the new army recruitment system.

A quick update on the Early Access release date

Since I dropped the Announcement Trailer, the community of this game has truly flourished. I recieved a ton of feedback, ideas and suggestions, and decided that some of them are important enough to address immediately (like the new recruitment system, larger region sizes, farm fertility etc). Because of this the game got immediately better, but we might see a delay, I can’t confirm yet how long - it’s “To Be Announced”. I decided to shut up and focus on work instead of making up release dates. I’ll be updating the progress as frequently and transparently as I can.

Thank you for following along and your awesome support.

Slavic Magic